tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13726943.post6229425619301963141..comments2024-01-19T21:33:09.716+00:00Comments on E Y E W E A R, THE BLOG - FREEDOM MEANS BEING UNAFRAID TO WRITE WHAT YOU THINK: Ward GamesEYEWEARhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01900801847916951522noreply@blogger.comBlogger9125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13726943.post-10960989931609719802013-01-16T12:56:36.151+00:002013-01-16T12:56:36.151+00:00It's only natural for people with a creative b...It's only natural for people with a creative bent to go over the top with this. Me personally, to feel 'used, robbed or violated', something substantially more than someone stealing a poem of mine would have to occur.<br /><br />I spent a good few years when I first got online, debating, arguing and generally putting on masks when I engaged in the dance of blah blah blah with others hell bent in the fora and salons of online literature, on causing maximum effect by getting all actory and carried away.<br /><br />This is what I think what's happened here. Kenny Goldsmith has made his whole career doing mass plagiarisms and urging others to do the same.<br /><br />Ward has not killed anybody, yet a majority of the self-confessed arties in the online massive, are behaving like disgusted of Tunbridge Wells, upset on behalf of Literature itself, in a narrow, shrill and insistent note of the petty bourgeoisie. <br /><br />Anyone silly enough to to something like this is gonnna get found out and getting so down on his ass makes me laugh. The spirit of the poetry community comes out then alright; the faux moral outrage as if the guy is some greaet big criminal. He nicked a poem, not break into houses and molest pets, chop up your cats, saw your parents in half whilst balancing a glass of stale urine on his elbow.<br /><br />Get over it. Lighten up. He's hardly Hitler.Coirí Filíochtahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15137576329670368944noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13726943.post-28571020764448012452013-01-16T03:27:39.151+00:002013-01-16T03:27:39.151+00:00I completely disagree with Desmond's notion (a...I completely disagree with Desmond's notion (above) that the poet being plagiarised should somehow feel flattered, or happy about the publicity. He or she would much more probably feel used, robbed or violated... Helen Mort has already said that she is deeply upset about the whole matter, and so has another poet plagiarised by Ward, Paisley Rekdal, who has insisted that she wants an apology. Neither of them sounds too flattered to me. Plagiarising is nothing but another form of stealing --- should I feel flattered because a thief liked my house enough to break into it and steal my furniture?<br /><br />Also, for those of you talking about 'phrases creeping in' and the like, please note that Mort's poem was plagiarised almost verbatim. Ward only changed 4 or 5 words --- and two of them, incidentally, were place names, the changes being aimed at making the 'new' poem eligible for the Exmoor-themed competition!<br /><br />LaliAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13726943.post-30003865157331629182013-01-15T18:40:25.595+00:002013-01-15T18:40:25.595+00:00You fail to mention the other poems this man has p...You fail to mention the other poems this man has plagiarised. At least two other poems have since come to light (not including the one he himself admitted). Bats by Paisley Rekdal and After Neruda by Tim Dooley.<br /><br />His apology is hollow and insincere, incredulous as to why people might be angered and upset by his actions. The 'poor bloke' doesn't seem to feel bad at all. Which only angers people further. There is nothing faux about the outrage surrounding this. I, for one, can completely understand it. The man is a destructive force to poetry.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13726943.post-27267551646725374812013-01-15T13:31:05.225+00:002013-01-15T13:31:05.225+00:00yeah? who? would be good to know.yeah? who? would be good to know.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13726943.post-22003595616160172212013-01-15T10:40:13.720+00:002013-01-15T10:40:13.720+00:00Todd, A well known London poetry editor not avers...Todd, A well known London poetry editor not averse to plagiarism once copied whole pages and lines from a collection I submitted to him, palming it off as his own work....Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13726943.post-11648457167559500612013-01-14T21:55:26.204+00:002013-01-14T21:55:26.204+00:00Rather than get all 'concerned' about this...Rather than get all 'concerned' about this sort of thing I always feel that the person daft enough to try passing of a plagiarised poem as their own, deserves a bit of a break. If I was Helen Mort I would be made up and very happy for the compliment and out of the blue publicity that can only be all to the good for her own profile.<br /><br />Poor bloke will feel bad enough already without all the faux outrage and manufactured concern from others. <br /><br />Desmond SwordsAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13726943.post-3151799008304929242013-01-14T12:26:24.778+00:002013-01-14T12:26:24.778+00:00This is all rather sad. I can easily understand ho...This is all rather sad. I can easily understand how phrases accidentally creep in (I once found a line of Eliot in one of mine - fitting?!) but whole poems is just bizarre and makes me question the originality of the rest of his work. Which is a real shame as if they are original he is clearly very talented. <br /><br />I don't really understand this whole 'ghosting' thing but I don't write poetry in that way and so maybe it's a lack of understanding on my part. I will say that unless someone is extremely prolific, it seems unlikely you could think someone else's poem was your own, even if you used the 'ghosting' technique. Again, this is based on my own experience, but surely each line takes a lot of effort - you read and re-read - write and re-write - how could somebody else's poem make it through that process?<br /><br /><br />Again, I think it's a shame if he does have a body of original work which is now tainted by this mess - but it's the whole Occam's razor thing. Many of the explanations of this seem to rely on crazy assumptions; isn't it simpler to think that the plagiarism probably goes deeper than the high-profile cases that have been identified?<br />Zoëhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16869528061648533076noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13726943.post-39506353720566584742013-01-14T11:59:52.876+00:002013-01-14T11:59:52.876+00:00Ah, who cares!!Ah, who cares!!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13726943.post-61009285346848460352013-01-13T16:48:31.583+00:002013-01-13T16:48:31.583+00:00"I am still digging and want a fresh start&qu..."I am still digging and want a fresh start" Does this mean Christian will soon unearth another poetic skeleton and claim it as his own? Yorick's, perhaps?vazambam (Vassilis Zambaras)https://www.blogger.com/profile/14515165428574974933noreply@blogger.com